watched it for the nth time!
The story is really interesting. There are tons of transmigration drama out there but it's my first time watching one wherein the main setting is a place where women rule (already a plus factor). And although both leads could be considered as rookies, their lack of experience didn't prevent them from doing an excellent job. Both Ryan and Lusi's character set-ups -- cute, funny, kind, warm, sweet, and basically everything positive -- are also very likable. Coupled with the oh-so-amazing plot, what more could I ask for? ----- aside from season 2 ofc! (and naturally, with the same cast)Esta resenha foi útil para você?
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I really enjoyed this, I hope you would too :))
This is one of my most loved chinese isekai romance drama that I have ever watched, especially because I really liked the ml and I'm also into cute and clingy straighforward female leads. If you see how the ml smiles you would definitely be hooked and continue on just to see our cute and arrogant ml.The way the ml gets jealous makes you giggle as he misunderstands a lot. And I do hint a yandere side to him, especially when he blackened after he thought she betrayed him. Ml went a bit insane and became aggressive, it gave me the chills but he ended up warming up to our fl hehe.
I do hope for a 2nd season, season 1 feels so short I want more :)))
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you thought you ate? well you did, here's another plate
Every once in a while, I come across a gem, unpolished, hidden and unknown. I wipe away the dust and the dirt and am met with something so beautiful that I can hardly believe my eyes.This show is no exception.
It is lockdown 2020; I am at home and finished my second semester of first year uni. I have gone through almost every single historical kdrama on my netflix and I am BORED. I turn to Viki, "maybe it'll have something else that won't have constant porn ads popping up" I think, scrolling through aimlessly the suggestions. Then I stop, I pause and look at a show tile with the title "The Romance of Tiger and Rose". By this point I have only watched one cdrama ever back in 2018 and I have never strayed from kdramas since 2014. But there's something about this show - the premise is wacky, it's something a kdrama would never do, it's 24 episodes instead of the 48 that normally come with historical cdramas and most importantly: it's tagged as "rom-com". It's fully subtitled, it's completely finished. "What the hell," I shrug. "I have nothing for doing anyways."
I click "play first episode" and I go on a journey.
Xiao Qian has a problem - she's stuck in her own script and doesn't know how to get out. But there's an upside: she knows everything about everyone and knows exactly what's going to happen. After several attempts at thinking death would be her only escape, Xiao Qian decides there's only one solution: see the story to the end as Qian Qian.
The thing about TAR is that everything is done on purpose - the side character made for exposition? Yeah, turns out QQ wrote him like that to meet a word count. The "hero" having a heart defect? Well, he needed to be because how else was the initial female lead going to make him trust her after she cures him? The different cultures in either city making no sense? Yeah, QQ realises halfway through that she needs to change that ASAP once she gets home. The fact Han Shuo and Chu Chu don't really have a reason to love one another in the real script? Well, don't blame QQ, she's never even dated and she's just doing what she's seen in other dramas! But things are different: she's there and she's going to make sure that Han Shuo and Chu Chu fall in love and everything works out.
Only there's a slight, tiny, teeny, little bit of a problem: uh, Han Shuo is married to QQ and he doesn't seem eager to turn his attention to Chu Chu.
Because there's only thing QQ can't account for: her character's feelings. Having survived the wedding night (the night she was supposed to die) QQ works hard to turn things around because she wants to go home and not for one second is she going to forget that mission. She has two goals: make HS and CC fall in love and make CC the City Master. Seems easy, right?
WRONG.
Because QQ quickly realises that these people aren't just words on paper; they're real, they have goals, ambitions, dreams and, most importantly, feelings. And the person that shows this to her the most is her supposed arch enemy: HS. She's written him, she knows how he's cruel and vindictive and malicious, she knows what he's going to do, what he COULD do to her if she's on his bad side. So she tries to be nice to him - she celebrates his birthday, she gets him a new set of clothes, she's all about compromise - they will live by his rules in private, and her rules in public. This QQ is not arrogant or rude, she's kind, she's caring, sometimes a bit of a smooth brain but it's understandable why. And Han Shuo is all but helpless as he falls in love with her.
This HS and the HS that QQ wrote are two very different people and she doesn't realise at this point that it's all because of her; HS cares very deeply for QQ to the point he would turn his back on his own city to help her, and he knows falling in love with her is not a smart move but there comes a point where he doesn't care. He's at her heels, constantly making sure she's safe and protected, being a shoulder for her to cry on and he'll shake his head at her antics but he will never discourage her from them. He's her #1 supporter, he knows what she's really like and he will never talk down to her or act like she's some helpless maiden that needs to be protected.
But it seems smoothbrain QQ has this completely slide off of her brain because she's still deadset on going home and continuously tries to make her script happen. Not once throughout this show does QQ's actions aggravate me because there's always a reason behind them. Doesn't realise HS is in love with her? Well, he did try to kill her several times and she wrote him to be in love with CC not her. Blatantly manipulates people to do what she wanted done in her script? She wants to go HOME, she doesn't want to be stuck in a dream forever, she has bills to pay and she misses WiFi! Sends Han Shuo away and lies about her feelings? QQ thinks that she cannot change her script and therefore cannot change HS's fate, but perhaps she can save him long enough until the story is over so he doesn't have to die because of her meddling.
QQ's goal is constant: she wants to go home and needs to take the actions necessary to do so, even if it means hurting herself and others for it to come true. But for a moment so brief that you would blink and miss it, there is a time when she and HS get to live out their marital, blissful life, knowing that they love each other and want to be with one another. And it's so cute - you can tell that HS fell first and he fell HARD, while QQ still obviously has her reservations but she loves him and she's so happy that he loves her. Everything she has done has been to protect him and everything he has done has been to protect her, and he would never do anything to hurt her.
Well.
Sort of.
This show loses its 10/10 rating for a certain scene portrayed in episode 19. I believe that this scene needs to be talked about because of how triggering it is and I remember being completely shook to my core once the scene happened without warning so...
TW: SA.
Without spoiling too much, HS has been cast out from the city by QQ and he is not a happy camper. His love has turned bitter and he wants revenge, revenge that is gladly offered up to him by another character. He returns and he's not at all the happy, loving husband that QQ had turned away. He's angry, he's cruel and cold - he's the HS that QQ had written in the beginning and she knows that she should be very much afraid. HS doesn't believe QQ's reasoning for turning him away and she essentially becomes his prisoner and he the key to her cell.
a lover scorned, HS has a lapse in judgement and his feelings for QQ and acts maliciously towards her, his behaviour worsened when second male lead Pei Heng appears. Certain that QQ and PH have been loving it up, HS shoves PH down a set of stairs and beats him, until QQ steps in. HS wastes no time in throwing her over his shoulder and carrying QQ into her room while she's kicking and screaming, throwing her onto the bed and looming over her. You can tell QQ is afraid because she knows what he's capable of, and she begins to plead with him to calm down and listen to reason but HS refuses - instead, he says it's about time he's got what he's deserved after all this time. And then promptly begins to attack QQ, trying to take off his clothes and hers, not caring for the fact she's fighting back to get him off of her.
HS only ends his assault when QQ's crying grows louder and more afraid and he can see how frightened she is, begging him to stop and that he's scaring her. There's a moment where he reaches out, seemingly regretful, and his mouth opens, making me think he's about to apologise when his voice says: "You ruined my mood" instead.
And then that's it.
QQ brushes it off as "oh he's just super mad at me for saying I don't love him", it doesn't affect her or her opinion of him. HS never apologises. Bai Ji makes a joke saying he can lock the two in a room with an aphrodisiac. Everyone forgets and moves on because the end is in sight. I'm still staring at the screen, mouth slack and eyes wide, not quite believing that I just witnessed HS try to grape QQ.
But everyone is moving forward and I can't be left behind so I have to scrub that scene from my memory and pretend it never happened otherwise I won't be able to finish a show that has been perfect so far.
The comedy in the show is completely next level and I should expect no less from Lu Si who is a goddess at comedy and drama alike. I've watched this show three times and it still makes me laugh every single time because the comedy in this show is AMAZING. Like, I don't even know how to explain it because it's so situational and me trying to explain would ruin the joke. I feel like cdrama's are superior at producing comedies compared to other parts of the world because it's all so natural and doesn't rely on vulgar language or humour to be funny.
But the ACTING - everyone holds their own but you know i gotta talk about my girl Zhao Lu Si; she is one of my favourite actresses because she has the RANGE; comedy, drama, tragedy, romance, you name it. She's only getting better as she ages and I am constantly excited for anything new that she is in. I just don't know how she does it, her expressions, her body language, everything about her acting is so superb. The slightest, subtle movement can tell you exactly what she's thinking as a character and she never fails at making lovable, flawed characters for you to fall in love with.
Ding Yu Xi is fantastic as well, I only feel sorry that he got stuck with that horrible wig and I wish they fired whoever was doing his make up because, damn, man's had a LOT of make up on throughout this show. But he is fantastic as HS - he manages to expertly portray the two sides of HS, the cold and cruel side and the loving and caring side. The side that loves QQ and the side that hates her, and it always seems a battle of which side will win because you can FEEL the conflict HS is going through. Falling in love with QQ means betraying his city and his people, but carrying out his duty means betraying QQ, his wife. Bai Ji acts as the devil on his shoulder, reminding a reluctant HS what he must do for his city, but HS pushes it off time and time again until you can see that his love for QQ is more than for his city. And Yu Xi is amazing at portraying HS's constant internal conflict, his hurt over QQ's dismissive actions, when he's touched by her kindness, when he struggles between his city and his wife. All of it is so clear and portrayed through even the slightest of movements.
This show has become my all time favourite comfort show. I cry when watching it, I laugh when watching it, I blush when watching it, whenever I feel sad I can turn it on and just enjoy a few hours of blissfully watching it.
One of the best shows that I have ever watching and I will always return to it because it feels like home.
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humorous & romantic
Honestly such a heart-warmingly cute drama with just the right balance of raw emotion, comedy, achingly sweet romance and gorgeous actors. Binged it in 3 days and I don't regret it. I am such a simp for Qianqian and Han Shuo's romance; it was so sweet my mouth hurts. The costumes were stunning and even though I teared up at times, Qianqian and Zi Rui's antics never failed to lighten the mood.All in all, I highly recommend this cdrama if you're in need of a good historical romance because you won't be disappointed.
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Fun and Forgettable
My initial tagline for this review of The Romance of Tiger and Rose was “24 episodes of wasted potential.” I had planned to recap and break down episode by episode, but by episode 8, I was ready to call it quits. I decided to pause reviewing episodically and binged the rest of the drama instead. The subsequent sixteen episodes went a lot better and made me reassess my original opinion. Once I stopped getting angry at the little things, this drama became a lot more fun!The Romance of Tiger and Rose (Chinese title: 传闻中的陈芊芊) is about a young screenwriter Chen Xiaoqian who, after transmigrating into a world of her own creation, has to see through the story she wrote as the previously ill-mannered and short-fated villainess, Chen Qianqian. Things get complicated as her numerous intentional and unintentional interferences cause the plot to deviate, even more so after the main male lead, Han Shuo, develops feelings for her instead of her in-world sister and the original main female lead, Chen Chuchu.
What separates Tiger and Rose from other transmigration drama out there is its setting; Huayuan City, which Qianqian is Third Princess of, is a matriarchal society where women are heads of households, political officials, and in positions of power in every way that socially matters. Their neighboring and enemy city-state, Xuanhu City, where Han Shuo is from, is the exact opposite. This difference made for some hilarious setups… and it’s also, unfortunately, a failing point. Not a huge failing point. Or maybe it is.
Qianqian, Han Shuo, and Their ‘Ehh-pic’ Romance
We’ve all seen the “smart but ditzy female protagonist who charms the male characters with her unconventional quirks” archetype, and Chen Xiaoqian/Qianqian is that down to the tee. I say “smart” and “ditzy” because she seems to remember and forget her advantage as the near-omniscient author of her own script at the most convenient times. Although I often got frustrated with her because of it, her smarts win over her dumb moments by a considerably large margin.
Han Shuo took me a few episodes to get on board with, mainly because it took until he first fell for Qianqian for him to show any redeeming traits—that for all of his ambition and ruthlessness, he’s kind of an idiot in the best ways possible.
Even though their setup positions them akin to star-crossed lovers, their romance doesn’t come off as dramatic as the trope implies. While Qianqian’s mother doesn’t like Han Shuo, her love for her daughter wins out against everything else time and time again. And while Han Shuo was duty-bound to destroy his wife’s city and home, he revises his plans so immediately after falling in love that it doesn’t become an external cause of conflict to their romance for a long while.
As the story progresses, Qianqian and Han Shuo learn how to grow together as a couple, to trust, forgive, and overcome their individual shortcomings to become each other’s strengths. I love that they actually learn to communicate and come to not just love, but respect, each other, especially later on. It’s sweet to watch, if you can overlook certain unsavory choices and actions in the earlier episodes.
I’m not going to get into all the lies, assassination attempts, and emotional manipulations that happen between Qianqian and Han Shuo because as far as Asian romantic dramas goes, they aren’t that bad. (I know, I know. But having seen so many of them, it’s true lol.) However, the one scene I could not get pass was the attempted rape scene after Chuchu and Han Shuo took over Huayuan City. I genuinely thought the drama, for all its sprouting of gender equality and feminist ideologies, was going to address how very not okay it was via Xiaoqian and her modern-day sensibility. Instead, it’s simply played off as playful behavior from Han Shuo trying to test his wife, and the story never mentions it again.
(I actually have a lot of problems with the half-ass, borderline bizarre ways this drama came at the subject of gender equality, but 1) I recognize that my views came from a western upbringing and 2) this shit is too serious for an online review of a 24-episode romantic comedy series, so I’m not even going to try opening that can of worm. It is what it is.) For the majority of the drama though, they are just two bumbling young adults trying to figure out how to be in a relationship without being the worst of themselves, like every young couple ever.
Why Chuchu Disappoints Me as the Villain
I started out rooting for Chuchu—not in an I-prefer-her-over-the-female-lead kind of way, but I had hoped that she’d flip the script and wouldn’t let resentment and jealousy get to her. I wanted her to stand by her sisters, and to choose her relationship with them over power and romantic attachments. Unfortunately, that was too much to hope for. That being said, her path to antagonism makes a lot of sense. A person can only take so many years of abuse and bullcrap from their own family before they snap.
What I don’t understand is why her sudden infatuation with Han Shuo needs to be a part of it. Even if that needed to happen for plot purposes, why have her prioritize him over her own desire for power at times? It really dampens her effectiveness as a villain. Without it, I think she would have more room to be cruel and it would’ve made her a more interesting and badass character.
The Side Stories and Characters Made Up for a Lot
- Zi Rui and Bai Ji? Talented. Amazing. Spectacular. Showstopping.
- Su Mu and Yuanyuan? *chef’s kiss* Before Chuchu’s blackening, I had thought that Yuanyuan was going to be the main villain, and Su Mu her tragic accomplice/unrequited love interest. I’m glad to be wrong because they’re just the sweetest.
- Lin Qi? Questionably at first, but badass and loveable as hell. I wish she was a little less abusive towards the “musicians” in her “academy,” but hey, nobody’s perfect.
- Meng Guo? MY MAN!
- Han Shuo’s parents? Probably the funniest couple I’ve seen in fiction this year. I disliked Han Shuo’s father up until the feet washing scene, and the way he froze at his wife when she glared at him was so funny and indicative of his character that it made my opinion of him do a one-eighty. With Han Shuo’s parents, I could see exactly from whom he inherited different aspects of his personality, and I love that.
- Pei Heng? To be honest, he’s a better character on his own than as a second male lead. He’s at his most interesting and compelling when Qianqian isn’t part of the picture. I like that.
- The City Chief? She’s somehow both the best and worst mother ever. There are just so many layers to the mother-daughter relationships in Tiger and Rose, so much angst and complexity, that I don’t know where to begin. For instance, if she had shown Chuchu half the affection she showed Qianqian, things would honestly not have gone this bad. On the other hand, her unconditional love for Qianqian is literally everything a mother should be. Also, she literally doesn’t pay attention to Yuanyuan. What’s up with that?
I really appreciate each and every single one of these side characters for how well-rounded they are. Definitely one of the highlights of Tiger and Rose.
The Ending Is a Cop-Out
First of all, let me just say that I know the whole plot reason why Chen Xiaoqian even transmigrated is because of Mr. Han’s criticism that she doesn’t know how to write romance. I know that her whole purpose within the universe of Tiger and Rose is to learn how to fix this flaw in her script. The problem is that it matters very little.
I wasn’t following Xiaoqian’s journey as a fresh-faced screenwriter. We weren’t emotionally invested in her real life. We were being shown and told to care about these “fictional” characters she created. Yes, her relationship with Han Shuo is a huge part of the drama, but it’s the backdrop of the world Xiaoqian transmigrated to, and the characters we met there, that gave it life.
That isn’t to say that I dislike the ending. In fact, I think the succession ceremony was the perfect place and time for Xiaoqian to return to the real world—Han Shuo was dying, Chuchu’s claim to the throne got thwarted by bad omens, Yuanyuan finally stood for herself with Su Mu’s help—but I can’t help but feel like we’re owed a “what happens afterward.”
If Han Shuo was near death in the Tiger and Rose universe, and it’s heavily implied in that moment that Qianqian died right after the heavenly vision appeared, then what’s going to happen to the two city-states? Will Chuchu finally relent and give up her pursuit for power, or will she challenge even the result of the sacred ceremony? Will the two city-states finally achieve peace and some semblance of gender equality under a new leader, or will it devolve into all-out war again?
While we don’t need a full episode to wrap up loose ends, an epilogue of some sort would’ve been nice. Maybe the actors in the modern universe could’ve answered interview questions about the fate of their characters. Or maybe Xiaoqian or Mr. Han pens an afterword after filming concludes. Something, anything, because the drama is about a lot more than Xiaoqian’s future love life with someone who may or may not have been her husband in a different universe.
Final Rating and Recommendations
Tiger and Rose isn’t a drama I’d revisit, simply because it’s not that memorable, but it’s definitely one that took my mind off the real world for two or three days and made me laugh.
A tip: I didn’t watch the drama correctly on my first try because I took things way too seriously and nitpicked too much, so I would recommend others to not do that. Yeah, Tiger and Rose has some major flaws, and its takes on gender politics are questionable, but if you can look past all of that and see the entertainment value, you’re going to have a way better time.
It’s got a pretty solid cast, good storylines, and a romance between two immature people that ended up turning them better for each other rather than worse. Plus, the costumes are kind of nice. You can tell it’s not the most well-funded production, but aside from one or two things that stick out, the flaws are hardly noticeable. And the whole thing is only twenty-four episodes!
My rating: 6.5/10
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Best Historical Drama.
This drama was made with people that have minds of the gods, period. It was so enjoyable, it had a little of everything, which I was really impressed with. Not even going to lie, I actually considered watching this show all over again, it's just that entertaining. The ending was a little too undeveloped, since all they did at the end was meet in the hospital and then hugged when they found out they were in the same dream--which I might added creeped tf out of me.Chen Qianqian is the best princess over, I take no criticism. Although she was technically the worst one out of the three princesses and had a bad reputation according to her script, she managed to completely turn her fate around. She's caring, quirky, and bold I might add. Han Shuo was the most adorable male lead ever. He looked so cute every time Qianqian gave him attention, or when he was angry at her. I won't lie, he seemed like a douche at the beginning of the show. But, he's a master of acting here. I felt so bad every time he asked Qianqian if she loved him. OMG THAT ONE FIGHT THEY HAD BROKE MY HEART. Chen Chuchu was a very likable character at first. She seemed very loving towards Qianqian. At the end of the show, it's like a demon possessed her for no reason. Pei Heng was a good character, not even gonna lie. Sometimes though, I wish he wasn't such a pushover. He lets Han Shuo get the best of him, and I think he was too emotionally attached to Qianqian. Chen Yuanyuan IS SO PRETTY OMG. She's so soft and kindhearted, and the way how much she cares for Su Mu is adorable. Speaking of Su Mu, he's a graceful character, but I wish he considered Yuanyuan more when he ran away from his feelings like that. Their story is pretty much overlooked, I wish they had more moments. ZI RUI AND BAI JI ARE THE BEST SERVANTS EVER. They're so funny, and I love how entertained they are with Qianqian and Han Shuo's obliviousness. If I had a servant like that, I'd keep them for life. Lin Qi's character development is truly shocking, but the way how she and Qianqian clicked was preciousssssss. I liked the City Owner of Huayuan City, but Xuanhu's City Owner was really inconsiderate. And Han Shuo's mom...SHE'S GORGEOUS.
In conclusion, this whole show was clearly made with great potential, and this needs a season 2. I want to see Yuanyuan, Su Mu, and the moms in the modern world.
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The Power of Forgiveness
A modern era scriptwriter becomes stressed about her deadlines and ends up dreaming up the world of her own creation. Summoning herself into the role of the 3rd princess who is a side-character that is destined to die, she must use all her knowledge of the plot to find a way to escape death.The main villain of the story is cursed with a heart disease that both weakens him and will eventually kill him. The pain of this horrific fate corrupts his soul, imbibing within him a Machiavellian "ends justifies the means" philosophy that any murder is justifiable if it means he can be cured from this disease. Yet, the scriptwriter is able to empathize with his suffering and find a way to cure him with the least amount of crime possible. She risks her life, her status, her prestige, and her wealth to save him from his fate. The villain is so touched by her efforts on his behalf that he completely transforms and devotes all of his energy and love to her.
In carrying out duties of the state, she encounters a tribe of barbarians that threaten the region with unrest. She has faith in the wisdom of the ancient philosophers and puts her trust in the idea of "defeat them and forgive them 7 times and they will become your ally". This idea of forgiveness (as echoed in Jesus's teachings as "I say not unto thee, forgive until seven times: but, forgive until seventy times seven times." [Matt 18:22]) proves successful and the entire barbarian tribe is converted into valuable friends and allies.
Two of her long standing enemies constantly plot to undermine her due to their grudges against her past mistreatment of them. The scriptwriter, technically innocent of the mistreatment, finds herself inheriting the baggage of the crimes committed by the character she inhabits. Through forgiveness, good deeds, and risking herself for these enemies, her enemies are touched and convinced that she is a new person - a morally upstanding person that is worthy of being followed. Once again, enemies are converted into friends and loyal subjects.
The final villain of the show is her sister who constantly covets her power, right to inherit the throne, fame, adoration, and even covets her lover. Time and time again she tries to comfort her sister but it never registers. Will she be able to also convert this enemy to an ally? Or are some people too stuck in their ways to ever change?
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Frustrating Female Lead
Saw great review reviews for this drama and I wanted something a bit more light-hearted so I decided to give this a try - at first, I really loved it! It was funny seeing the FL navigate this new world and the FL and ML had great chemistry.However, as the drama went on, it lost its charming point (mainly: the comedy and the fact that it didn't take itself too seriously) and my frustration grew the longer the FL kept going on about the "original story" and made extremely stupid decisions again and again.
One of the things that really annoyed me was how she wanted to keep the ML alive and loves him so much, yet still continues to treat him like one of her fictional characters and keeps him in the dark about absolutely everything - even right after making him promise that they'll keep no secrets from each other. Lady, are you okay?
This is a relatively short drama so I'll finish it but as of right now... it's a struggle to watch.
Edit: Lmao.. they consummated IN PRISON. AND THE ML FOUND OUT SHE WROTE THE WHOLE STORYLINE AND MANIPULATED HIM AND WAS STILL TOTALLY OK WITH IT NBD. WTF LOL.
Edit: Finished. Ridiculous. Lol.
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Clever story with great humor, Romance of Banana and Orange is the total package
Such a solid drama. It is such a refreshing plot, especially with the way it's handled. The humor really shines.Zhao Lusi is so cute as the amateur writer who is now stuck in her own cliche script as a throwaway side character.
Her chemistry with the ML is a treat and even the villain is actually sympathetic.
The two servants for the leads are a hilarious pair, especially Bai Ji. His comedic timing and expressions are so funny to watch.
I love how it's not a serious drama. Because it's so light and fluffy, i actually started rewatching it again a few days ago when I couldn't find anything enjoyable to watch.
Can't wait for season 2!
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hmm
I just recently started this, So far I am enjoying this series, mostly because of the side characters, I find my self either smiling or laughing, not really a fan of the leads but their interactions are enjoyable to watch. I’ll probably update this review once I get deeper into the whole series, but again so far it is enjoyable to watch because of the antics, and the side characters are so interestingly funny (in a good way)so far it’s lights so I’m not sure if there will be any serious scenes along the upcoming episodes, if you want something light, & not too heavily dramatic, I think this is a good watch, evidently I haven’t dropped it so I really find it fun and amusing.
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