Estrela Cadente (2022)

Gostei bastante

Eu gostei demais desse drama, apesar de muitos terem achado fraco e bobinho eu achei tudo na medida, o relacionamento dos protagonistas é fofo e além de tudo teve casal pra gente shippar de sobra kkkkk

A história foca bastante no que acontece dentro das agências, onde os funcionários trabalham muito para criar uma boa imagem dos atores e também mostra uma boa quantidade de problemas enfrentados , assim como o fato de viverem praticamente apenas para o trabalho.

Um ponto negativo foi o plano de vingança nada a ver da ahjumma, um trem raso e sem sentido.

Mas no fim das contas é um drama engraçado, leve, com um bom grupo de amigos e um pouco de imersão nos bastidores da vida de um ator.

Talvez eu gostei tanto por ter começado sem pretensão nenhuma, apenas por achar o casal principal fofo kkkk.

Recomendo muito Shooting Stars para quando você quiser algo leve mas sem abrir mão da química entre os casais.

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Felicidade eu diria!

Como pode um drama não ter um casal que termina quase no fim por não conseguir lidar com os comentários negativos? O drama me ganhou só por não ter essa palhaçada. Sempre acho um saco ter que assistir algo assim.

Eu ri, eu derramei lágrimas e me emocionei em diversas cenas. A rivalidade entre a Oh Han Byul e o Gong Tae Sung é muito legal de se ver. Casquei o bico de tanto rir em ver ele tentar várias formas de agradar ela e sempre falhando. Outra parte legal é quando ele é enganado pelas mulheres das relações públicas, fazendo com que ele trabalhe para elas. Os casais secundários foram bem legais também.

O casal secundário que eu mais gostei foi Jin Yoo Na e Yoon Jae Hyun. Já tinha visto “Be My Boyfriend”, em que eles participaram. Neste, o desenvolvimento deles foi bem engraçado. A forma como os sentimentos deles eram bem interligados com o papel em que eles estavam atuando deixou tudo melhor. Gostaria de ter visto o bebê no final, mas tudo bem.

Super recomendo este drama!

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A história de todos os tipos de pessoas que limpam a bagunça das estrelas

Comédia romântica sem defeitos. A química entre eles é tão boa, fofa, engraçada e adorável. Vale a pena assistir ❤️
Morri de rir do inicio ao fim. Amei cada personagem, e as amizades formadas! E como mostraram o que se passa nos bastidores da indústria do entretenimento.
Terminou tudo bonito, não teve pontas soltas. E vários casais para a gente shippar a vontade haha
Tava com saudades da Lee Sung Kyung, ela arrasou nesse drama!
Kim Young Dae foi muito bem como protagonista, nasceu para esse papel!
Me apaixonei pelo ator Yoon Jong Hoon, lindo demais!

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Shooting Stars é a mais pura essência dos romcom's.

Quando comecei Shooting Stars, não estava esperando muito, comecei unicamente pois estava ansiosa de ver Lee Sung Kyung em mais uma comédia romântica clichê, genêro esse que me fez apaixonar por ela em 2017 com Weightlifting Fairy, e digo sem dúvida alguma que não me decepcionei. Shooting Stars é o típico dorama que viamos muito antes de 2020 e sua leva de doramas explorando novos temas mais densos e pesados, e apesar de ótimos, eu sentia muito a falta de um dorama doce, leve e que me deixasse feliz por estar vendo o puro suco do romance bobo e caricato, personagens clichês (mas ainda sim com um desenvolvimento descente), romances secundários que faz você torcer por eles e uma química gostosa de ver se desenrolando na trama. Quer passar um tempo, ver algo para se sentir uma fangirl apaixonada pelo amor dos protagonistas e sem sofrimento arrastado de ambos os personagens? Invista nesse dorama, vale a pena.

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Shooting Stars: Uma história boa, porém fraca!

Quando vi o teaser de Shooting Stars me senti ansioso pra assistir por ser uma premissa clichê que eu aprecio muito e realmente nos primeiros episódios consegui ficar bastante entretido. No entanto, ao passar pelo lançamento dos episódios me desanimei totalmente, me vi sendo conduzido a acompanhar uma história que é composta por um certo compilado de situações e problemas que artistas e sua equipe passam. Dessa forma, a história do drama usa de um clichê que ainda consegue se sair bem, mas no caso de Shooting Stars é mal aplicado.
O elenco conta com alguns nomes bastante fortes e conhcidos na Coreia que em parte conseguiram trazer uma atmosfera divertida, porém, prejudicada por algumas atuações que deixaram a desejar pelo forte uso de estereótipos que cada vez mais se satura na indústria dos k-dramas. No sentido do romance alguns casais chamam a atenção e outros se formam de maneira tão mal executada que você se questiona o que se passava na cabeça dos escritores e roteiristas.
Portanto, Shooting Stars é assistível e até certo ponto fofo, entretanto, peca por não cosenguir sustentar uma narrativa que prenda mais a atenção daquele que está do outro lada da tela e que se resolve muito rápido deixando para os capítulos finais um certo aglomerado de situações românticas que uma hora são fofas e outra são desnessárias por justamente mostrar que o drama já não tinha mais muito o que contar. Dessa forma, se você busca por uma história que opta pela previsibilidade e por cenas românticas que se envolvem pela comédia acredito que Shooting Stras seja o que você procura! Minha experiência com o drama não foi das melhores e muito provavelmente não sentirei vontade de reprisar, mas mesmo assim não posso julgar e dar uma opinião sem pensar por outras perspectivas.

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Um drama leve e gostoso de ver

Gostei bastante do drama, é uma história leve e gostosa de assistir. A trama é simples, sem nada mirabolante, mas os personagens são cativantes e te fazem ter vontade de acompanhar cada capítulo.
Os casais são super fofos, nada de mimimi, nada de frescura, eles descobrem que se gostam e ficam juntos e é isso ai, sem drama. Quero colocar a Ho Young e Yoo Seong em um potinho e nem vou comentar sobre a Yuuuuuu Naaaaa(kkkkkk) e o Jae Hyun, eles são meu casal preferido, muito divertidos.
Uma coisa que eu simplesmente amei no drama foi a forma como a Da Hye foi desenvolvida, apesar de ser atriz e famosa, ela é super fã do Tae Sung, muito gente como a gente. Mas oq me encantou na personagem é o fato de ela ser uma fã saudável, a Da Hye ama seu ídolo, quer saber tudo dele, mas em nenhum momento ela é possessiva e acha que ele pertence a ela, ela só demonstra carinho e admiração em todos os momentos. Sem falar que a cena dela atuando no começo da carreira é impagável.
Sempre que leio um livro denso, com uma trama muito pesada eu tenho ressaca literária, então busco um livro gostosinho pra ler na sequência. Shooting stars pra mim é a versão dorama do livro da ressaca, um drama gostosinhos pra assistir na ressaca doramistica, depois de ter assistido algo muito pesado.

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Unexpectedly good drama

It is  a great drama with cute and good chemistry between the main characters.Not gonna lie but this is one of my favourite drama.Even though the leads seem a little childish.
At a point it was a little serious with tae sung's past and revenge plot.I loved the part were GTS pick on OHB because of his embarrassment.
The people in the story works very hard to create good image of the actors and this also shows a good amount of problems faced in the entertaiment industry.

STORYLINE/PLOT
Like other romcom it is based on entertainment industry.The male is an actor and female lead is a PR head who cleans up the mess.It has a lawyer working together with FL who likes FL.Both fl and ml were college mates and have love/hate relationship.There are Ml's manager and another manager working in the same company.Ml's manager has a great relationship with the ml except for a point where their relationship becomes little strained.
And there are characters who work on the drama in which ml is the main actor.There is some relationship  problem between ml and his mom who is an ex actress who wants to resolve their issues from the past as she becomes ill.
There are some other plots where some people who hate ml try to sabotage his acting career.Some scenes you will be laughing like a hell and many times you will feel sad for th MC.

CAST
Honestly I didn't expect much from this and started this because I had free time and ended up loving this show. I saw Kim young dae in Penthouse and lee sung kyung in dr romantic 2 .I felt like they were tailor made  for this drama 

REASONS TO WATCH
-Good chemistry between the leads
-Slight bromance
-Good friendship
-Funny
-Some quirky humors

REASONS TO NOT WATCH
-Annoying family plot
-Unwanted revenge plot
-Scheming housekeeper

This drama is definitely worth watching with good chemistry between the ml and fl lead .It had a good amount of humor , family relationship and show a side of suffering for main actors.I think you won't regret watching it.

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Appreciable attempt...

The literal translation might be "shooting stars" but I still wanna call it "shitting stars" for 2 reasons: firstly, it has 똥:tong (poop) in its original title and the very fact that they've used asterisks (**) for the international title. So, even though many people say it's shooting, the intentions of the makers is very clear, huh!

Produced by "Mays Entertainment" and created by "Studio Dragon", "Sh**ting Stars (별똥별)" is a romcom plus idol-life drama. Written by Choi Young Woo and directed by Lee Soo Hyun, the show was originally broadcasted on tvN while iQIYI took charge of international distribution.

The show could be a romcom drama having the main couple at the center, surrounded by many other lovelines, but deep down, it portrays the life at Entertainment agencies, as personal managers of celebrities and members of a a PR team, all of whom are indulged in cleaning up the mess created by the stars, hence justifying the intended title.

Oh Han Byeol (Lee Sung Kyung) is the PR team Head at Starforce Ent. and a long-time close buddy to the topmost actor in Korea, Gong Tae Song (Kim Young Dae); both of them are like sworn enemies and the story mainly follows their story, as they develop feelings for each other. Kang Yu Sung (Yoon Jong Hoon) and Park Ho Young (Kim Yoon Hye) are two managers at the same agency, while Choi Ji Hoon (Ha Do Gwon) is the director. Cho Ki Ppeum (Park So Jin) works as an ent. reporter whereas Do Soo Hyuk (Lee Jung Shin) is the legal advisor to StarForce.

Other familiar faces in major roles are: Lee Seung Hyub (N. Flying), Jang Hee Ryung, Kim Dae Gon, JunQ (MyName), So Hee Jung, Choi Ji Woo and Jin Ho Eun. There are many rookie actors who did deliver well. Also, you'll see many guest roles including Kim Dong Wook, Lee Sang Yeob, Jang Ki Young, Song Ji Hyo, Moon Ga Young, Chae Jong Hyeop, Lee Ki Woo, Kang Gi Doong, Lee Sang Woo, Park Jung Min, Seo Yi Suk and Lee Joo Woon.

Plot development is average yet decent and likable. The pilot episodes and the follow-up didn't create any impression, ngl. But it suddenly became interesting from the 4th episode, idk why. The furtherance is smooth, with so many up & downs and several peak moments, accompanied by twists and revelations. Except for the first few episodes, I didn't really see it going down or dragged or exaggerated. Imo, the 13th & 14th were the ones where the show was at peak throughout, and everything is put to rest by the end, opening a smooth path for the finale week. Thr ending sequence and the finale ended in a grand way. So overally, it might not be very good in sum development, but it was nice and decent with minimum flaw and damage.

The show as an usual romcom, that too in 2022 did not require immense talent to create, however, maintaining the decent quality throughout is what should matter the most. In my opinion, the writers have been able to achieve so to a great extent, if not entirely. And provided that the writers are both debutants, they should be appreciated and encouraged for this was able to be acknowledged by a huge number of audience. It was a wise choice in their part to make it more about the "behind the scenes" workers than the stars, and also giving sufficient share to each of the couple development, adding the character goals to it.

Lee Soo Hyun PDnim who has debuted only 2 years back, has been able to create about 4 moderately acclaimed pieces and I believe this drama also belongs to the same category. His previous experiences surely has helped though this was his first romcom, unusual of his genre. The decent job in case of screenplay, screen-editing, sound editing, sequencing, etc. should be appreciated. Setup in modern urban vistas, there was no need of visual excellence, and everything has been kept simple. The extraordinary failure of cinematographic work in Africa should deduct a point from overall though.

There are 5 OSTs in total and all likable, perfectly blending to the drama and properly utilised throughout. "Shooting Star" by Nam Woo Hyun is alluring track with tranquil music describing how it feels to be in love. "How I Feel" with Kim Jae Hwan's captivating vocals has a jolly rhythm and a piece of confession. "My secret, My everything" by Sondia and Vincent Blue brings back the vibes of old K-romcom OSTs, I cry every time I listen; their harmony is everything. "Departure from a Country" by SuJu Kyuhyun is a melancholic yet alleviating song with stimulating lyrics. "Won't give up" by Choi Yuree is is a softcore track about assuring one about staying by their side and comforting for ever.

What I liked...

# Chemistry development between Tae Sung and Han Byeol was very fond, sweet and likable. Even though they get together sooner than expected, the follow-up journey was nice as well.

# The second couple (won't say who) were the cutest, I'll cry. I wish they had more screentime as couples or their prior development but I'm actually very happy that the couple existed. Let me cry again. The same goes for the third lead couple as well. Let me informq that there are 6 couples in total and each of them are uniquely heart-winning. Look forward to them.

# Park Ho Young, as a person was sweet and her acting is so adorable no matter the situation. The cheerful character she played, surely will remain in my memory.

# Kang Yu Sung, as a responsible and handsome manager did give me flutters throughout. The man is so charming, I will literally pluck stars for him. The character was well written.

# My Lee Jung Shin did shine in the show as well. Him in formal is paradise. The couple chemistry might have come very late but it was nice.

# The PR team, Manager team and the entire organization have been an amazing experience. I don't think such importance was given before? The office scenes were mixed bags of emotions, depicting various situations.

# Emphasizing mental health issues in idol dramas is common but this show did a good job in exposing variable sides of it and also throwing light upon the "behind-the-scene" efforts from the companies, which might not be entirely real.

# Dae Soo calling Yuna-yaaaa was so funny yet so pleasant, I swear. I will miss that for a while, hahahaha.

# There are more than one bromance in different forms though none of them is greatly emphasized, starting from co-stars to managers then between stars & manager and then stars and staffs, and what not. Each of them were fluffy.

# I love the very way the OSTs has been utilized in the show; not only they're good on their own, the appropriate use during the melodrama is actually well-handled. I don't usually see this as a specific point but this drama made me realize so.

What I didn't like...
# Kim Young Dae's acting was a bit off imo. Outstanding performance should be expected from a lead but I guess he was still not prepared to takeover the ML role. It wasn't bad actually, the thing is he needs more training and polishing, and definitely has the potential to become a good factor.

# Unnecessary crossovers did irritate me. The "Find Me In Your Memory" appearance was fine and relatable but the "Penthouse" one was annoyingly cringey and wasn't necessary. Def felt like a filler.

# The cinematography in 1st ep was disgusting, infact, very much overdone. No, seriously, Africa doesn't look like that irl.

# The less of the 2nd couple came to me as disappointing when I realized that even with the seemingly lees screentime, they outshined the lead couple.

Final Remarks... The pros definitely outweigh the cons: in simple, it was a good show to look forward to. Unlike a lot of people, I think it a fairly average drama with very few flaw, which makes it a decent one time watch, yet something that everyone should watch, provided that these days, old-styled romcom dramas with good production values. Go ahead.

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Are there any bad ideas?

"Sh**ting Stars" Writer Production Meeting

Producer: "So our primary storyline is a rom-com with Lee Sung Kyung and Kim Young Dae. Seems like a winner. What else are we gonna do?"

Writer: "How about a hint of a love triangle?"

P: "Sure."

W: "And a secondary romance."

P: "Love it."

W: "I'm thinking about a third romance too."

P: "Super."

W: "In fact, I've got ideas for another romance, maybe even two."

P: "We'd only be able to give the one about thirty seconds of screentime per episode, but so what? Let's do it. The other one gets no screentime but gets mentioned occasionally. That's no problem."

W: "And an anti-fan subplot."

P: "Awesome"

W: "We could also do a parent abandonment deal."

P: "Hell yes, let's do that too."

W: "Oooh, what do you think about a suicide by a childhood best friend?"

P: "Winner."

W: "A stalker?"

P: "Sold."

W: "Seriously? All this?"

P: "Yes. Absolutely and if you come with anything else, we'll do that too."

W: "How do we transition back and forth between all this?"

P: "There's gonna be a lot of hugging."

W: "Does that make any sense?"

P: "This is K Drama baby. We don't need to always make sense."

Does this sound exhausting and chaotic? Yes and that's "Sh**ting Stars". All of these things. Five relationships. Multiple dramatic subplots. Constant tone changes. Crises. Resolutions. Confessions. Binge drinking. And on and on and on.

Despite the kitchen sink and everything else in sight being thrown in, the more frenetic and messy things get, the better. The cast does a remarkable job at entertaining with a lot of these different elements. Lee Sung Kyung and Kim Young Dae are both terrific comedians and while they may not be entirely convincing as a romantic couple, they both consistently generate genuinely funny material. Lee Sung Kyung may not have the most varied range, but when she has a character in her element that matches her strengths - extreme extroversion and borderline emotionally manic - she's a joy. Kim Young Dae is slightly more subtle, relying on a slew of facial expressions and sly dialogue delivery. When the narrative around them is merely just average, these two are good enough with basic material to elevate the show to genuinely entertaining.

Park So Jin and Lee Jung Shin might not match the two leads in acting talent, but they do generate traction as a supporting couple. And Lee Si Woo is a gem as a pampered young actress that unexpectedly falls for her acting partner.

Unfortunately, the dramatic interludes come and go so quickly that they don't pack any punch. And with all of them centering around Kim Young Dae's Tae Sung, every time one of these subplots takes over, Lee Sung Kyung's Han Byul gets pushed in to a corner with far too little to do.

Worse, the most prominent character after the two leads is Yoon Jong Hoon's Yoo Sung. It's a bland character with a flat and one-dimensional portrayal. And when a relationship develops between Yoo Sung and Kim Yoon Hye's Ho Yeong, it's all awkward and uncomfortable.

Overall, "Sh**ting Stars" has some really entertaining stretches but mixed with some dreadful sections. But the two leads and the laughs they manufacture push this over the line in to recommended territory.

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I want to go through that feeling again and again and again.

I feel like this drama numbed me from the world. Yes, that’s the expression. My head, my brain, all become numb, and time stops when I watch it.

One of a kind. I can’t believe it’s over. I am crying because I will miss them. I am the fangirl Baek Da Hye is here.

This show is recommended for non-diabetics. It may contain too much sugar sometimes.

Some may consider the story plain. But the execution was very good. Something that was consistent in the drama: Warmth.

The drama is so pretty and lovely!! ㅠㅠ

All pairings looked good together. Everyone’s chemistry is so good, couples and non-couples. Amazing cast. Very nice drama. I loved every moment. I never liked any ‘famous stars’ portrayals in drama but Tae Sung is the best (can’t believe it is the same too flowery, cheesy Oh Nam Joo from Extraordinary You). Jung Yeol-i is the cutest. And “Yuuuuuuuu Naaaa -yaaa” is one of my favourite lines. Ki-ppeum was a great friend. Han Byeol was the loveliest. Every single character is something amazing. The noteworthy lovely cute moments are uncountable.

Every scene ensured me of how good the directing is. Watching it felt soft.
The story is precious. The meaning behind it is beautiful. It is very informative. I laughed out loud so many times. And I sympathized so much with them. The writing was really clever at times. It was alive.

I don’t deny that the first 7 episodes were a 🌟☆ starry ☆ 🦋 butterfly dream ‿︵εϊз . Those 7 episodes pulled me hard. And after that it because closer to regular kdrama. The drama became more about events and less about characters, but it was still lovely and meaningful. I was expecting more angst in the beginning; that was my only complain. But then it picked up again. The end episodes made up for it. It swiped me off me feet again. Finally, it closed with the vibe it started off with; the best way. What a perfect way to end the drama.
I forget how good this drama manages to make me feel. Then I start an episode, the numbing starts. It makes me feel something new every time.

The music was just good enough to give you drama feels. The ost slowly infiltrated me. One song sounded noisy at first, but it took its effect on me. And in another song the singers' voices resonated. When the drama ended, I cried listening to it because I didn’t want to leave.

Honestly, I was hesitant about the cast when it was announced, but I was sold for their visuals in the promo photoshoot. That manicure picture. It screamed chemistry. They were visually perfect for each other.
And beginning from the first episode, I could feel the not-yet-tangible, in-the-drama-air chemistry. It was already amazing and very entertaining! The directing was so good at showing invisible things. I had a feeling I would love their dynamics. By the second episode I was already in love (with their relationship).
Watching it, I experienced so many sweet feelings. Warmth took over my body from head to toe. After binging a few episodes my face was burning hot and felt red from the feelings simmering in my stomach, and from the pumps of blood my heart fired. I wanted to stop but I couldn’t allow the feeling to go. I woke up with music pieces playing, and their voices talking in my head. Their energy took an effect on me. I was becoming light and bubbly like Tae Sung and Han Byeol. They are holding my heart currently

I JUST LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT IT. And I love how it feels like romance dramas from around 2017. I guess that’s even more why I was pulled.

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별-똥-별 - quite a fitting description of the quality of this show.

Fun, entertaining, sometimes clever elements, with a crappy core.

What’s good? What are the reasons I somehow finished watching it? Everything except for the love story of Han Byul and Tae Sung, and both plot lines surrounding male lead. None of these 3 things work well - poorly written, with ridiculous resolution and out of the blue miracle ways out of the problems.

The convoluted way they tried to tell us the story of Han Byul and Tae Sung was some next level of bad presentation. Rom-coms are not thrillers, you do not need 10 different plot twists to make it exciting. The worst part of it was the fact, this type of non-linear storytelling made it close to impossible to understand the characters at the beginning, which led to me simply not caring about them at all.

The three semi-mystery plot lines, with two being part of a larger picture? Extremely unnecessary. The setting was all that needed to happen for the show to be interesting. Everyone wants to know what the behind the scenes looks like. What type of problems the actors face. How much of that glamorous life is try? What about the ugly side? The “mundane” celebrities life is interesting enough, no need to add over the top plotlines.

Not to mention, they were simply not well integrated in the story. Instead of showing bits and pieces of it throughout the show, they dropped larger portions here and there and it messed up the pacing. I don’t even want to talk about that Disney resolution, or lack of any closure for some.

That said, I did enjoy the main couple when they interacted with other characters. Han Byul and her gossip time with Ho Yeong and Gi Peum? Fun. Her friendship and working relationship with Yoo Sung? Interesting. Tae Sung with his manager? Adorable. Him bickering with Soo Hyuk? Some of the best comedy bits of the show. It amazes me how well these two worked with everyone except each other.

I just feel like their relationship was too juvenile. They presented some middle school type of behavior I just did not connect with. And it’s not like it’s impossible to show a sweet, cute romance - they did it with the side couple. Yes, it was over the top cute, but that’s who the characters were from the start - adorable, so it fitted the overall picture.

They also showed a more mature and chill approach with another side couple - a lot better paced even though they had 1/10th of the screen time compared to the mains. All the supporting plots showed me there is a skill and good writing hidden in the show, but somehow they failed to use it for the most important aspects.

I definitely enjoyed the few small commentary bits on the entertainment industry. Some were presented in a more serious manner, some leaned towards comedy. Sh**ting Stars has also one of the best “breaking the 4th wall” scenes I have seen in dramas for ages. I replied that one scene many times - perfectly executed if you ask me.

Performance wise, it varies depending on the actor. Probably one of the worst performances in Lee Sung Kyung’s career. She delivered close to nothing. The lines felt flat, the crying scenes evoke zero emotions. She presented little to no variety in her facial expression. And I know for a fact she can do better, she did in her other dramas. She is not an amazing actress, but should be capable of leading a rom-com.

Kim Young Dae did fine. I enjoyed his more emotional scenes, he did a good job portraying the vulnerability of Tae Sung. At the same time Tae Sung was just a poorly written character, so it’s not easy to judge the performance of the actor.

Most characters did not have enough depth for the cast to truly showcase the skills they might have. Yes, Yoon Jong Hoon delivered the sweet hard working senior, Kim Yoon Hye was the cute and innocent junior, Park So Jin did an amazing job as a journalist with some internal conflicts and Lee Jung Shin was able to make the arrogant and distant lawyer more approachable and fun. But that’s it. The characters don’t really serve more than these short descriptions.

The production value was nice. Quite a number of scenes had an aesthetic appeal that supported whatever was happening on screen. Talking about the production, we cannot ignore the initial wave of criticism surrounding the uneducated and ignorant depiction of Africa. I still believe this just shows how lazy the writers are (honestly, the same problem happens in all countries, and is not limited to Korea). 15 minutes of google search is too much work for them. Finding a more appropriate way to present a specific plot line? Why waste time, when you can apologize later if it gathers some bad press.

Overall, it was painfully mediocre. I enjoyed following some side relationships (be it romantic or platonic) and plot lines, but close to nothing concerning the main two characters was good. They just put random events and ideas together, and did not spend enough time to figure out how to present them in a cohesive way. The show just did not flow well.

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